Pope Francis: The Traditional Mass “Problematic”: No, Papa Francis… (cough)… YOU’RE the Problem!

Pope Francis: The Traditional Mass “Problematic”: No, Papa Francis… (cough)… YOU’RE the Problem!

From Lifesitenews…

VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis has released a new apostolic letter on the liturgy, reaffirming his restrictions on the Traditional Latin Mass while promoting the reformed liturgy as “the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite.”

According to Pope Francis, Desiderio desideravi, published Wednesday, follows his July 2021 motu proprio Traditionis Custodes, which took aim at the celebration of the sacraments prior to the reforms initiated by the Second Vatican Council. The letter contains his “reflections on the liturgy,” inviting “the whole Church to rediscover, to safeguard, and to live the truth and power of the Christian celebration.”   Desoderop desideravi

Vatican News, the media arm of the Holy See, explained that the new papal letter is “not a new instruction or a directive with specific norms, but rather a meditation on understanding the beauty of liturgical celebration and its role in evangelization.”

Writing in the newly published 15-page apostolic letter, the Pope laid out further context for his earlier motu proprio restricting the celebration of the traditional liturgy of the Church, explaining his position that the apparent “tensions … around the [traditional] celebration” are not merely “simple divergence between different tastes concerning a particular ritual form,” but rather that they are “problematic.”

“I want the beauty of the Christian celebration and its necessary consequences for the life of the Church not to be spoiled by a superficial and foreshortened understanding of its value or, worse yet, by its being exploited in service of some ideological vision, no matter what the hue,” Francis wrote, highlighting the division of opinions on the celebration of the sacraments.  Click here to read this Lifesitenews report in full. 

Editor writes…

It’s perfectly possible to accept the Second Vatican Council where it repeats and reaffirms the Traditional Catholic Faith.  I do that.  I’m sure all of the bloggers on this site do that. Anything which deviates or contradicts the Traditional Catholic Faith is non-binding.  Statements that Count makes the non-binding nature of the Council itself, very clear.

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Comments (24)

  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    A 15 Page Letter. My God does this Man ever rest from Preaching His Views.
    How about He actually respect the Views of Catholics. But then again one really Has to be a Catholic to Respect our Views on The Catholic Church. He doesn’t qualify and He certainly is the Problem , Him and His Lavender Mafia.

    July 1, 2022 at 8:21 am
    • Fidelis Reply

      FOOF,

      I am not surprised that his letter is 15 pages long – don’t you remember that one of his previous letters was longer than the Book of Genesis, LOL!

      I wouldn’t mind if he had something serious to say but it’s all dross. This is just more of the same. The “Statements that Count” in the introduction are proof positive that nobody has to accept Vatican II – it was never intended to be infallible or binding in any way. So, what’s he on about?

      July 1, 2022 at 9:08 am
      • Josephine

        Fidelis,

        Longer than Genesis! That’s amazing. I googled it just now and that is correct! It’s also three times the length of St John’s Gospel, LOL!

        https://blog.acton.org/archives/117251-fratelli-tutti-is-a-familiar-mixture-of-dubious-claims-strawmen-genuine-insights.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20first%20things%20that%20will%20strike,the%20size%20of%20the%20Gospel%20of%20John%20%2815%2C635%29.

        July 1, 2022 at 10:55 am
      • Josephine

        I decided to do a word count on this new letter and only counted the actual letter, not the introduction or the footnotes. That comes to 10,979. I don’t know how that compares with other popes, but this one seems to be unable to say anything in a few words.

        July 1, 2022 at 11:00 am
      • Josephine

        I’m on a roll now – I did a word count of Pope Benedict’s MP Summorum Pontificum and it’s a mere 1,738 – only counting the actual document until “given at Rome” etc, not the footnotes, same as I did above for this new document. It’s laughable, really, that we now have a Pope who can’t say anything in a few words, writes screeds, but doesn’t actually teach anything.

        July 1, 2022 at 11:04 am
      • editor

        Josephine,

        I reported the word count (of Frutelli Tutti) in the newsletter at the time, using the Catholic World Report article, as source. It’s incredible.

        Always something to be glad about though – at least we’re unlikely to ever make it onto his Christmas card list 😀

        July 1, 2022 at 12:22 pm
  • Andrew Q Reply

    He comes across as a walking advert for the sedes. They must find him their primary recruiter.

    July 1, 2022 at 10:45 am
    • Athanasius Reply

      Andrew Q,

      You make a very sound, though sad, point. I think Francis will drive many incautious souls into sedevacantism, God help them. That truly would be jumping out of the fire into the frying pan since Lucifer doesn’t care what end of the extremist spectrum he reaps souls from. Unrestrained outrage is just as fruitful for him in snatching souls as unrestrained liberalism. St. James has already warned that “the anger of man worketh not the justice of God”. Sedevacantism thrives on anger.

      July 2, 2022 at 3:36 pm
  • Josephine Reply

    I wonder why he is so fixated on bad-mouthing the TLM? It’s weird.

    July 1, 2022 at 10:51 am
  • Michael 🙏 Reply

    Dear friends

    Francis hates all things that embody the authentic supernatural Catholic Faith of which the Mass is the most beautiful, holy and sublime expression of our adoration of the Most Holy Trinity.

    This lex orandi, lex credendi and lex vivendi represents all aspects of our Faith including its doctrinal and moral teaching etc.

    He is a Modernist etc to the core and through his words and actions he clearly demonstrates his hatred for the TLM and authentic Catholic belief and praxis.

    He is what Our Lord reminded us of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. His latest verbiage is all very much part and parcel of his vacuous approach in justifying his error, a lack of charity and Injustice in the Biblical sense to our global Catholic family and his deliberate agenda to secularise the Catholic Faith and Church.

    May God forgive him and open his eyes and heart to his erroneous pontificate thus far. He clearly is not thinking, acting and behaving like the Vicar of Christ on Earth. Instead he has debased himself to the Prince of this world and his children the the Globaliist Masonic Luciferian elites and their unholy and in Godly agenda.

    Wo unto him ! It all reeks of the sulphur of Hell.

    Ave Maria!

    Every blessing

    Michael 🙏

    July 1, 2022 at 12:03 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

      Michael of course He’s not Acting Like The Vicar of Christ, remember Bergoglio relinquished that title and to Me it’s the only Decent Catholic thing He has done.

      Maybe their is some semblance of The Catholic Faith within Him although I personally doubt it . He really really dislikes us with a Passion.
      Also what the ordinary Catholics don’t read is what Bergoglio and His Henchmen are doing to good Catholic Nuns and Priests. That is surely at the moment His biggest Crime against our Catholic Faith.

      July 1, 2022 at 4:14 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Michael

      Your observations on this Pope are spot on and your final paragraph nails it. This is a Pope who has long since exchanged the spirit of Our Lord for the “spirit of the prince of this world”. Just because he sits in the Chair of Peter, validly elected despite the conspiracy of Masonic prelates to secure that election, does not detract from the fact that he is to all intents and purposes a humanist.

      His very words and actions betray his wretched mindset, for example, when he speaks of this world being “our common home” instead of the Catholic doctrine that heaven is our common home and this world is but an exile.

      There is an old adage which says: “show me your friends and I’ll tell you what you are”. There is much truth and wisdom in this adage. Look at the people Francis promotes and endorses, they are largely people renowned for moral and/or doctrinal perversion. He has made a point, for instance, of placing pro-gay, pro-abortionists in high places within the Pontifical Academy for Life and has went out of his way to castigate pro-life, pro-family leaders like Donald Trump while embracing Publicly-fallen Catholics like Biden and Pelosi. He makes lots of noise against Traditional Catholics and non-Catholics with Christian morals, but is silent when God grants the world an overturn of Roe Vs Wade.

      We cannot beat about the bush just because he sits on the Chair of St. Peter, this man is a destroyer of the Catholic Faith whose Pontificate will one day receive the severest judgment of the Church, much worse than the judgment declared against Honorius I.

      How culpable he is in his soul is for God alone to decide, though it is very difficult to cut him any slack given his repeated and sustained attacks on the Traditional liturgy and moral teaching of the Church. He doesn’t apparently have any Catholic moral compass, just this liberal blindness that drives him on in his peddling of a false mercy which would see evil flourish and good morals trampled.

      That he writes and speaks in screeds is no shock either, for this is what priests and prelates do when intellectual pride takes the place of sound devotion and piety. If we examine all the conciliar and papal documents of the last 60 years we see that they are replete with abstraction and long-windedness. This is deliberately done to cover the fact that they are departing from the Traditional Catholic Faith. They talk and write a lot, often about mercy, without the justice, in order to flumux their listeners and con them into error.

      Here’s one example from Francis’s homily of June 29, 2022:

      “…The Synod that we are now celebrating calls us to become a Church that gets up, one that is not turned in on itself, but capable of pressing forward, leaving behind its own prisons and setting out to meet the world, with the courage to open doors… A Church without chains and walls, in which everyone can feel welcomed and accompanied, one where listening, dialogue and participation are cultivated under the sole authority of the Holy Spirit. The Church that is free and humble, that “gets up quickly” and does not temporise or dilly-dally before the challenges of the present time. A Church that does not linger in its sacred precincts, but is driven by enthusiasm for the preaching of the Gospel and the desire to encounter and accept everyone. Let us not forget that word: everyone. Everyone! Go to crossroads and bring everyone, the blind, the deaf, the lame, the sick, the righteous and the sinner: everyone! This word of the Lord should continue to echo in our hearts and minds: in the Church there is a place for everyone. Many times, we become a Church with doors open, but only for sending people away, for condemning people. Yesterday one of you said to me “This is no time for the Church to be sending away, it is the time to welcome”. “They did not come to the banquet…” – so go to the crossroads. Bring everyone, everyone! “But they are sinners…”

      Note the fundamental exclusion from this tract that changes the very context of the Gospel message itself, turning the statement into a humanist one. It is the exclusion from the Gospel passage he cites of the person who entered the House of the Lord without a wedding garment on (grace in the soul). The Lord commanded his servants to bind that person’s hands and feet and cast him into exterior darkness. In other words, the Church administers God’s mercy to repentant sinners, not to presumptuous sinners!

      Those who adopt the Protestant error that sin is fine so long as we have faith in Christ will undoubtedly perish in eternity. God is not mocked, He did not die for our sins so that we may continue to live unrepentant sinful lives using faith in Him as a get out of jail free card. No, the moment a person enters the Catholic religion it is with a humble and contrite heart, a heart fixed forever on sinning no more. Francis doesn’t like that part, nor do those whose who think he’s a great merciful Pope to all who suffer from the “condition” of moral depravity.

      Biden, Pelosi, Boris Johnson (the man who apparently re-entered the Church recently, yet voiced his disappointment in the overturning of Roe Vs Wade as “a step backward”), as well as all those sexually active, non-married individuals, of whatever proclivity, who think sexual filth is compatible with the Christian life, are similar deceivers. St. Paul has made it quite clear what the end of such people will be if they continue in “their error”.

      The upshot of it all is that the world is going to Hell in a handcart largely because, since Vatican II, a great majority of the Church’s hierarchy have lost the faith and have dragged down countless millions of souls with them. Pope Francis is by far the worst example we’ve seen of this, a Pontiff who seems by his words and actions to utterly detest the Traditional Catholic Faith and Traditional Catholic moral teaching. He seems to be driven to destroy those two pillars upon which the Church stands so that a new humanist edifice can be built upon the ruins, an edifice in which God is proclaimed while Lucifer is worshipped.

      We need to pray very hard for this Pope because he faces a most terrible judgment when he passes out of this world, unless by a miracle of grace he repents of his destructive humanism and turns back to Our Lord and the sound divine teaching of his papal predecessors.

      July 2, 2022 at 2:52 pm
  • Michael 🙏 Reply

    Apologies for the typos. I did this without my glasses 👓

    July 1, 2022 at 12:09 pm
  • Margaret Mary Reply

    What is it he’s scared of, for goodness sake. If the old Mass is that bad, people won’t go to it. It’ll die out. It makes no sense to issue one letter after another about it, like this.

    July 1, 2022 at 2:05 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    The “tensions” between the TLM and the Novus Ordo are there because one rite is the authentic expression and enactment of the Catholic Faith, and the other is not. In other words, the “tension” reveals that something is very wrong, it doesn’t cause anything…except an (unwelcome, to a Modernist) awareness that the Church was betrayed at Vatican II.

    Perhaps there should also be no tension between good and evil? That would be saying the same thing as “there is no such thing as evil,” which is straight out of the mouth of Lucifer.

    And the Luciferian inversion continues in this “meditation”: ugliness is beauty, bankruptcy is wealth, banality is sacred mystery, emasculation is power, denial is affirmation, and, ultimately….Protestantism is Catholic!

    July 1, 2022 at 3:08 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    Here are a couple of extracts from Abp. Vigano’s latest brilliant (and I do mean brilliant) interview with Steve Bannon on The War Room:

    “The Catholic Church also, beginning with the revolution of Vatican II and above all during the last nine years of the Bergoglian “pontificate,” has experienced the same cognitive dissonance: the faithful and the Clergy have resigned themselves to obeying mere cynical officials – who are no less corrupt and perverted than their counterparts in the deep state – although it has been evident that the purpose of the alleged “reforms” has always been the systematic destruction of the Church by its highest leaders, who are heretics and traitors. And I note that the deep church has had recourse to the same false arguments in order to pass off the doctrinal, moral, and liturgical dissolution: first of all, the false contention that those reforms were requested “from the ground up” and not imposed with force from on high. Just like the reforms planned by the World Economic Forum, the Bilderberg group, and the Trilateral are adopted by their infiltrators in the highest levels of nations and international organisms, making it appear that their plans are ratified by popular consent.”

    Is there any analogy between what is happening in the Catholic Church under the pontificate of Jorge Mario Bergoglio?

    The deep church is an offshoot of the deep state, in a certain sense. For this reason it should not surprise us that we are witnessing the demolition of Faith and Morals in the name of ecumenism and synodality, applying liberal errors in the theological sphere; and on the other hand the transformation of the Papacy and the Roman Curia into a politburo in which ecclesiastical authority is both absolute and also released from its fidelity to the Magisterium, following the modalities of the exercise of power in a communist-type dictatorship. The law is no longer founded on Justice but rather on the convenience and utility of those who apply it: it is enough to see how harshly the clergy and faithful who are traditional are treated by the Vatican, and on the other hand with how much indulgence the Vatican praises notorious pro-abortion activists (I am thinking of Biden and Pelosi among the most striking cases) as well as the propagandists of LGBTQ ideology and gender theory. Here too, liberalism and communism have formed an alliance to demolish the institution from within, just as has happened in the civil sphere. But we know that contra legem fit, quod in fraudem legis fit – that which circumvents the law is done against the law.”

    https://warroom.org/2022/06/30/exclusive-steve-bannon-interviews-the-heroic-archbishop-vigano/

    July 1, 2022 at 3:43 pm
    • Margaret Mary Reply

      RCA Victor,

      That is a truly brilliant interview, thanks for posting. Archbishop Vigano is first class.

      July 1, 2022 at 4:29 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      RCA Victor

      Yes, that is a brilliant interview. God bless Archbishop Vigano, a voice crying out in the worlderness. Thanks for posting this.

      July 2, 2022 at 3:16 pm
  • Michael 🙏 Reply

    Dear friends

    The deep state has infiltrated both the civil and ecclesiastical for the simple reason of establishing a unipolar form of global governance as a precursor for the arrival of the evil one and his counterfeit kingdom on earth.

    The bulwark against this is the true Catholic Church and Faith as it’s the only authentic medium of Gods salvific and sanctifying Grace here on earth established by Our Lord and Saviour.

    Pope Francis and his deep state cohorts in both spheres are aware of this and wish to negate the Church to avoid their diabolical schemes from failing. They are willing accomplices.

    The True Church, the TLM etc etc is the final bastion to their evil machinations.

    This evil is becoming more prevalent and vociferous as they are like a dying animal lashing out, for in the designs of Providence there days are numbered.

    Ave Maria!

    Michael 🙏

    July 1, 2022 at 5:52 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Michael

      It is the fulfillment of a long-held and long-expressed desire of Freemasonry, i.e., a Church and world saturated at the highest levels with Masonic (read Luciferian) doctrine. Pius IX exposed the threat of this evil during his Pontificate, which is why the Masons attacked his funeral cortege and pushed his coffin into the Tiber. Vatican II vindicated the wisdom of that holy Pope, since we now see the Freemasonic influence at the very highest levels in the Church and its humanist poison pervading almost every diocese and parish on the planet. But Our Lord will destroy this evil and its peddlers in His own time, for we have His divine promise that the Gates of Hell will never prevail against His Church! I have a feeling that this happy time is not too far off now.

      July 2, 2022 at 3:31 pm
      • Michael 🙏

        Athanasius

        We are completely one in this!

        The Alta Vendita now emerges in a more forceful and brazen manner supremely confident in its objectives.

        However, You and l know the endgame!

        I hope you’re health continues to improve my prayers are with you.

        Ave Maria!

        Michael 🙏

        July 2, 2022 at 7:19 pm
      • Athanasius

        Thank you, Michael, I really appreciate those prayers. The cancer has now completely gone, though I still have one or two not so nice temporary side effects. Still can’t enjoy my chocolate the way I used to, for example, due to taste buds and saliva glands not having fully recovered from their nuking. I’m sure they will burst back into full life one of these days, though.

        July 2, 2022 at 8:27 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    Surely even a half decent believing Catholic should by now know what this Terrible Man who calls Himself a Pope is up to . None of us on here certainly believe that Bergoglio meeting with Pelosi the other day was coincidental it was as i said before a Middle Finger to us all . OK that may seem a bit crude but it certainly has nothing on Bergoglio and Pelosi both of whom are Crude Human Beings to say the least . As you also said ED about not being on Bergoglios Christmas List . Its no wonder that He himself hasnt sent you a letter of Excommunication for promoting Catholic Truth and Tradition. I Honestly believe that that could actually be His next move. Nothing absolutely Nothing surprises Me of what He will get up to. We know by His mumblings that He reads and Hates . L.S.News. Taylor Marshall . Church Tradition .The Remnant to name but a few .

    July 1, 2022 at 6:23 pm
  • Francis de sales Reply

    Had a look at Bergoglo past history. We can safety say that he was baptised in the old rite, and confirmed in old rite as well. But I’m not sure if he was ordained in the old rite or new rite cos his ordination date was 13th December 1969. I might assume that he was ordinated in the new rite, correct me if I’m wrong there. I don’t really know why he’s obsessed with TLM and it’s elimination as well. Its something that I don’t understand re his hatred of TLM.

    I was baptised in the old rite despite new rite was all in the rage in Ireland back then. It was my late parent along with PP( steeped in old rite) had requested it. Although all other sacraments that I did, were done in the new rite.

    I did experience healings in the new rite one way or another via priests who have had healing gifts. Strangely I didn’t experience any healings in the old rite as I can’t understand why. But the old rite was powerful especially when I was fighting with the new age things that I naively dabbled with and into them as well. I found the new rite was quite bit slow in fighting the demons that I had from new age therapies. But on the other hand, Old rite sort of speeded up my fight with the demons as I found TLM has more oomph than the new rite. It took me many months to get it over as it was a long battle. If I did with the new rite, it might take a lot longer maybe a year or more. The fact that I was baptised in the old rite greatly helped me in my view cos it had speeded up my battle. I didn’t realise this until after a year or two when a women that I read somewhere, said it took her long time cos it was conducted in the new rite. I remembered Fr amorth saying its tlm rite that was more effective in tackling the demon’s as it dawned on me re his comment which made a lot of sense to me. Cos I was doing new rite for few weeks or so see how I get on and then switch it over to old rite to see which was better. Gradually I started to see that old rite was better than new rite in my experience.

    Pro and cons of the old rite:

    Pros: my views

    Effective in fighting the demons re if involved in the new age.

    More protection if baptised in the old rite. Cos its stronger form than the new rite.

    Old rite doesn’t protect you if you got involved with new age therapies BUT it will help you to fight them and speed it up if attend tlm mass as much as you can

    Cons:

    I didn’t experience any healings in the old rite.

    Lot of abusers who were ordained in the old rite such as MC Carrick, brendan smyth, Martel Marciel of legionnaires of christ, Bishop casey.

    It doesn’t suit any person of disabilities,not accessible.

    Pro of new rite:

    I did experience healings in the new rite through priests who have had healing gifts such as Fr rookey and few others as well.

    Its an accessible form for any person with disabilities cos it’s easier to follow etc.

    Cons:

    Lack of respect towards the sacred.

    Its like pantomime re dancing and music etc.

    Less effective in tackling the demons if involved in the new age or seance or ouji board etc. Cos baptised in the new rite is probably a weaker form. It doesn’t confer more protection than the old rite itself. Longer battle in fighting the demons cis not effective enough in my view.

    Thats my view but I can’t understand Pope francis thinking. Cos old rite and new rite both have pros and cons.

    July 1, 2022 at 11:45 pm

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