Boris Johnson Resignation: Are Catholics Free to Support Any of the Replacement Candidates?editor
St Thomas More, patron saint of lawyers and politicians, went to his martyrdom rather than compromise his Catholic Faith in the interests of political expediency…
Saint Thomas More’s Story
His belief that no lay ruler has jurisdiction over the Church of Christ cost Thomas More his life.
Beheaded on Tower Hill, London, on July 6, 1535, More steadfastly refused to approve King Henry VIII’s divorce and remarriage and establishment of the Church of England.
Described as “a man for all seasons,” More was a literary scholar, eminent lawyer, gentleman, father of four children, and chancellor of England. An intensely spiritual man, he would not support the king’s divorce from Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Anne Boleyn. Nor would he acknowledge Henry as supreme head of the Church in England, breaking with Rome, and denying the pope as head.
More was committed to the Tower of London to await trial for treason: not swearing to the Act of Succession and the Oath of Supremacy. Upon conviction, More declared he had all the councils of Christendom and not just the council of one realm to support him in the decision of his conscience.
Four hundred years later in 1935, Thomas More was canonized a saint of God. Few saints are more relevant to our time. In the year 2000, in fact, Pope John Paul II named him patron of political leaders. The supreme diplomat and counsellor, he did not compromise his own moral values in order to please the king, knowing that true allegiance to authority is not blind acceptance of everything that authority wants. King Henry himself realized this and tried desperately to win his chancellor to his side because he knew More was a man whose approval counted, a man whose personal integrity no one questioned. But when Thomas More resigned as chancellor, unable to approve the two matters that meant most to Henry, the king had to get rid of him. Source
Is there any one of the possible candidates to replace Boris Johnson whom you consider to be of sufficient integrity, and with beliefs and values which do not conflict with a Catholic conscience, someone for whom a Catholic could support in a future General Election? Or is the entirety of the UK too far gone for that? As this replacement campaign(s) get underway to find a new leader for the ruling Conservative Party in Westminster, let’s pray for the intercession of St Thomas More – because if the right candidate is elected, he/she might put a real dent in the Satanic plans of the Godless elitists to reset the world. St Thomas More, pray for us!
To be honest, I do not not know too much about each of the possible candidates. I am a natural conservative voter, but do not typically vote for the Tories given – as a party – they are now long-since Conservative in name only (especially in Scotland).
With the collapse of protestantism, many people have nothing to underpin their Conservatism, meaning they are only really the “low tax Unionist party”.
Boris Johnston is a Catholic, but obviously a disgraceful one given his colourful personal life! Rees-Mogg is the only other prominent Tory who is practicing Catholic (to the best of my knowledge) but as a Boris loyalist I do not expect him to get a look in for leadership.
Sajid Javid seems a very principled and decent man; he is nominally muslim (non-practicing) but his wife is a practicing Christian. (though if she is Church of England, it barely counts!).
I will wait to see what other posters have to say about possible candidates!
Boris Johnson, if he is a Catholic at all, is a “Catholic” – if you see the difference! Nobody can claim to be authentically Catholic and hold beliefs and values which run counter to the Gospel and Catholic teaching. I can see that you realise that with your reference to his “colourful personal life” – although I have to say I’ve never liked the use of “colourful” to describe immorality. It’s one of those very successful euphemisms which camouflages the truth of the matter, in this case that the person, Johnson, is defying God’s moral law in the way he lives (plus I can’t see him attending Sunday Mass to fulfil the obligation, can you?)
I can’t see any candidates so far who would get my vote in a General Election. Some – to my astonishment – are pushing Jeremy Hunt forward, the same Jeremy Hunt to thinks the Chinese have done a great job of enforcing lockdowns, especially in Shanghai. He has made it plain he would like to see lockdowns return here. You couldn’t make it up.
I hate to disagree, but Sajid Javid is not, IMO, a principled man, but a sneaky, devious man. He started the avalanche of resignations the other day to get Boris out of office and for what – for seemingly not knowing that the Pincher appointment was a sleazy one. LOL! As if that matters these days! Also Javid gave the impression that he was not all for the Covid restrictions etc, I remember thinking “great!” when he was appointed because I saw an end to the restrictions, but he turned out to be as bad, if not worse, that the rest, even insulting the consultant in the hospital during a visit of his when the doctor explained why he wouldn’t take the vaccine. No, IMO, Javid is a careerist, devious to his fingertips. In need of lots of prayer.
I think the same about him – I remember being hopeful when he was made Health Secretary, he definitely gave the impression we had to get back to normal “live with the virus” and then changed completely. He’s ambitious which makes him untrustworthy, IMHO. Not that being ambitious is a bad thing in itself but in politics, it makes people ruthless.
We don’t get to choose. It’s an internal party selection. That’s the pretend democracy we live under. Whoever is anointed by the cabal gets the job.
Were we to have a say, I could not, in good conscience, support anyone from the major parties after what they have advocated over the past 3 years. I used to think I had a duty to vote. Now I believe that only encourages them and gives the appearance of legitimacy to a system designed to keep real choice from being viable. The Punch & Judy show at Westminster pretends that there is a real difference on the benches in reality they are all signed up to the globalist agenda and tighter control over the individual. They are a Godless bunch pushing a New World Order whether dressed in red, blue, yellow or rainbow hues.
I understand that this is an internal election for the Tories. I suggested the following, in my introduction…
Is there any one of the possible candidates to replace Boris Johnson whom you consider to be of sufficient integrity, and with beliefs and values which do not conflict with a Catholic conscience, someone for whom a Catholic could support in a future General Election?
I’m with you, though, in the fact that it’s virtually impossible for Catholics to vote for any candidate in any General Election. I’ve not done so for years now, I go into the booth and spoil my ballot by leaving my opinion about the moral decay across the UK. Sign off with a statement to the effect that Christ the King must rule. Agree, too, about the NWO – that’s one thing they’re all in together, a determination to push us into their idea of a New World Order where they rule and we obey. No thanks.
For what it’s worth l don’t vote for any of them. I cannot in good conscience vote for political parties who openly endorse sodomy, abortion etc.
I never have and l never shall unless a party emerges that openly supports the right to life, marriage as between a man and a woman etc etc.
I have openly made my views known as a Catholic when the parties canvas on our doorstep during local and national elections. I have no qualms about this.
Others may disagree with me and frequently do so, but l in good conscience cannot endorse
any of them.
Well, Michael, I can’t say I blame you. The Catholic policy of choosing the lesser of evils hardly fits with today’s parties, for all endorse every immorality under the sun. It was different years ago when Conservatism was still nominally Christian. Not any more, as the cultural Marxist Boris Johnson has amply demonstrated, with Rees-Mogg’s support. I wouldn’t trust any politician unless he was of the Monster Raving Looney Party, which is at least honestly named!
I’m so glad you make your beliefs clear to the people canvassing during elections, because if more of us did that, and said it would affect our vote, we might get some change in the right direction. However, the thing that prevents that being effective is that too many so-called Christians are going along with the immorality around us. They vote according to their wallets, not according to right and wrong.
I think it’s very important that we make our beliefs and values clear to our politicians and their minions. People tell me it’s pointless because the law won’t change but that is neither here nor there – if they don’t meet people who say they can’t support candidates due to these immoral laws (abortion and ss marriage etc) then they can truthfully say they never meet anyone who raises these issues. It’s not rocket science.
The former Japanese Prime Minister has died, after being shot.
This is a reminder that politicians are very vulnerable to such attacks and even death, so I think we should pray for them as much as we criticise them. May he rest in peace.
Amen to your remarks!
Maybe this is an issue we could all raise with our politicians, local and national, when we get the chance – objecting to funding these “Pride” marches?
You couldn’t make it up…
I could Never Vote Tory for several reasons and most are personal . Our area of Scotland never has recovered from Thatchers years and the Tory policy especially in Northern Ireland was despicable to the extreme . Thatchers Shoot to Kill policy took away many young, and many innocent young Catholics lives. To say that even now the Tories are any different is a Lie. Of course i wouldnt vote for either Labour or any of the rest of the Motley Crew. Like others on here i tell those of my Principles when they come knocking at the door. Anyhow at the moment does it really matter as its a N.W.O. who will call the shots.
I hope you don`t mind me pointing this out to you but Catholics in that area of Ireland prefer it to be known as The North of Ireland since it is considered only a geographical area of the 32 counties.
I’ve never heard that before – my people are from the north, but would say “northern Ireland”, it doesn’t mean anything, IMHO.
If you care to check back, I think the knives came out for Boris, especially among the Scottish tories who don`t even try to hide their hatred for all things Catholic/Irish, when he was married in Westminster Cathedral. Most of them wouldn`t even have known that it was the Catholic cathedral in London until the wedding. They must have been livid when a catholic had slipped in through the front door, and not the back even, at number 10.
I remember at the beginning of his ordeal, one “commentator” felt there was “something else behind it” when discussing the Christmas party.
As for breaking the laws during the Covid internments: I have still to meet one person who didn`t bend them a wee bit, including myself when we had no other option than to help look after our granddaughter who lives in a district outwith our own.
I don’t think anyone cares about whether Boris got married in a Catholic cathedral or not – even the anti-Catholic Labour Party won’t care about that. He was lapsed when he became leader and I think it’s bleedin’ obvious that he stayed lapsed, wedding or no wedding in a Catholic cathedral, LOL. His support for all the “socially progressive” policies i.e. immoral policies, means that he’s an apostate Catholic anyway, so nothing for anyone to worry about there.
I agree about the Covid rules – I didn’t keep them at all, except during the night when I stuck to them strictly, LOL!
I think it far more likely that Boris’s removal from office is more an act of God’s displeasure than that of the anti-Catholic Scottish Tories.
Boris is well known for using and abusing any and all to get his way, he has absolutely no moral compass. In fact, some say he has no conscience. At any rate, he used the Catholic Church just as he has used other innocent parties to get what he wants. The moment Roe Vs Wade was overturned by the American Supreme Court, Boris was out there telling the media how much of a “step backwards” that decision was. This is the so-called repentent Catholic who just returned to the Church. No, he deserves all that’s coming to him.
Boris has conned the Conservative Party for years into believing that he’s a Tory when, in reality, he’s a left wing globalist and cultural Marxist. I still remember when he was London Mayor calling for the then-controversial “gay marriage” debate to be ended, arguing that “gay marriage” is a right that should be recognised without further delay.
Also, he has wasted an 80-seat majority in parliament by selling out on Brexit. He put a border down the Irish Sea, has betrayed our fishermen, has allowed illegal limmigration to reach record numbers and has kept us hooked up to the EU justice system, which is globalist justice. He has also put up taxes and almost bankrupted the country through his lockdown policies.
My belief is that while he was pretending to get Brexit done, he was so running down our economy, failing to addres major issues, that he was clearing the way for a future Labour government to point to the disaster and reintegrate us back into the EU. Yes, I think he was an infiltrator into the Conservative Party, a very clever and deceitful one. Well, it’s over for him now. I hope some Catholic prelate down there has sufficient faith left to now call him out in public for his false conversion.
You obviously don`t know much about the Scottish tories, especially their so-called leader who was/is a Scottish football referee and, especially in one game in particular, he just couldn`t hide his bitterness against a certain team.
He is now “affectionately” known as red card, red card, red card. He just couldn`t contain himself and everyone could read his lips in a game against his favourite team.
He himself was in trouble recently for not divulging his football related earnings, including a few freebies all around Europe before VAR was introduced, which put them all back in their box.
I don’t doubt a word you say about Scottish Tories, and especially about Scottish former-referee Tories. The issue is they’re boy scouts in comaprison with Boris.
I take in all you say but it doesn`t alter in even a miniscule way my opinion. To these people, a catholic is a catholic, they don`t go into the you-know-what of whether they are good, bad, indifferent, practising or non-practising catholics. To them, Hitler was as much of a catholic as Pope Pius X11. They certainly wouldn`t have been over the moon when the UK suddenly had the first catholic (to them) prime minister since the Reformation.
Even Tony Blair was shrewd enough to shy clear of it until the time was ripe for him to make a move.
As for illegal immigrants, every country that has introduced abortion NEEDS these so-called illegal (?) immigrants. You can`t annihilate a population equal in number to Scotland and Wales combined without being punished in some way. If I accepted these immigrants as illegal, I would in all conscience have to say that my own parents were “illegal” immigrants. These people are the ones we will have to depend on to fill our hospitals, drive our lorries, attend to us in the supermarkets and even slaughter the pigs and cows when they become out of fashion, not to mention looking after us in old age. Most successful businessmen use OPM (other people`s money) to succeed, Brexit a least exposed the fact that we were using other people`s citizens to run the country.
I really don’t believe that religion has anything to do with Boris getting the boot, I mean, he was a joke even in this matter. No, it was his wasteful premiership that done for him, not to mention the lies and deceits.
As for your questioning of those who cross the English channel and use other means to enter the UK through the back door, that’s illegal immigration all right. There are a number of legal immigrants in the country, people who went through proper checks to come here. What’s happening with the channel and elsewhere is ridiculous.
Besides that, and despite the mass murder of babies in the womb enshrined in UK law, there are still, to my observation, sufficient numbers of young Scots and Brits to fill the jobs in our land. If many of them are reluctant to do so it’s because they face the same slave labour wages that the illegals get paid. We need to stop the illegal immigration in its tracks and start paying our own people a decent wages to incentivise their will to work. That’s the way a healthy Christian world operated for centuries. It was only with the advent of Protestantism that we began to see the abuse of workers, especially in the child labour of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
My people are from both North (Down) and South (Sligo) of Ireland. You can be sure that if you hear someone mentioning the North of Ireland that they would be catholic.
Your own family probably would be among the minority, if they were catholic that is, in the NOI that felt that it is better to go with the tide, which is understandable I suppose.
Eff rr . I understand where your coming from and their was no one more biased [ i can assure you ] as far as sport is concerned when i was young. I was friends with a former Manager of the TIC who along with T. B. was a daily Mass goer in Glasgow before taking training . Unfortunately those days are Long Gone and your more liable to be stabbed in the back with your supposedly own than the other crowd. Of that BTW I speak of personal experience. In an above post i talk about being Doxed by Approx 5000 who were all affiliated to the Team in the East End of Glasgow.
Is this a picture of Boris Johnson being forced out of office? But, I cannot see anyone worthwhile to replace him.
LOL! That’s brilliant!
At one time I would have said Jacob Rees-Mogg would be a great Catholic prime minister, but not any more after seeing some interviews where he plays down his faith. He even said that abortion was settled law, or was that same-sex marriage, I can’t remember, one of the two. So, he’s not going to rock any boats.
I think they wanted Boris out to stop Brexit going further. One of the Tory chiefs said “If Boris goes, Brexit goes” – that’s why the knives were out to get him from the get-go.
Maybe a suitable candidate will come forward today, the Feast of Saints John Fisher and Thomas More, the two major English martyrs. That would be great!
After a long and arduous search, I’ve finally located the best possible candidate for the next UK Prime Minister:
You have brought back memories of the programme. Would this further the cause of him being the best candidate for the next UK Prime Minister?
The Catholic Jacob Rees-Mogg did consider standing for the leadership but he’s now backing Liz Truss, who either supports or abstains from important abortion legislation. Her disgraceful voting record is here
It is unbelievable that any Catholic MP in his position would support someone who effectively supports abortion up to birth (she abstained) and voted YES to Allow the creation of 3 parent embryos (mitochondrial donation).
Her voting record is abysmal on abortion and she even abstained on the vote to legalise euthanasia. The UK’s moral decline will continue under her, that’s for sure, aided and abetted by Jacob Rees-Mogg.
I think a number of Catholics have seen through Jacob Rees-Mogg’s superficial Catholicism for some time. He has supported Boris Johnston to the hilt, the man who, when London Mayor, advocated an immediate end to discussions on “Gay Marriage”, calling it a “human right” and who, most recently, called the US Supreme Court overturning of Roe Vs Wade as “a backward step”. No Catholic worthy of th ename would support such a politician, yet Rees-Mogg does.
I’d like to know what Therese Coffee’s voting record is and what her thoughts are on the candidates. She’s a Cabinet Minister whose parents were members of the SSPX in Liverpool. I knew them well and stayed a night in their house when I went down for the blessing of two new SSPX churches in Liverpool and Manchester by Archbishop Lefebvre back in 1989.
I think Therese left the SSPX behind when she went to university, a common tragedy for young Catholics who go to study and live in these godless places, but I’m not sure if she’s maintained any kind of Catholic practice. I must look her up.
I’ve looked up Therese Coffey (not Coffee, as I wrote previously) and it seems she’s opposed to “Gay Marriage”. It’s something at least!
That’s interesting about her being SSPX and that you stayed over in her parents’ home. Unfortunately, the faith doesn’t seem to be very deep when so many go off to university and stop practising. I suspect she is one of those because when she was asked by a journalist to define a woman she didn’t. It’s astounding. Here’s her voting record on abortion
https://righttolife.org.uk/votes/Suffolk-Coastal/Therese-Coffey and this is her voting record on everything else
I always find these “Abstain” votes interesting – they are in fact Yes votes insofar as “evil abounds because good men do nothing”. I remember another woman who worked in parliament at Westminster – she was older and also SSPX. She called them “devils”. Tells us all we need to know about politics in modern Britain!
Anyone familiar with this woman?
I didn’t know anything about Kemi Badenoch, so that link helped a lot. She seems like a level headed person who says all the things that genuine Conservatives want to hear. I think she’d make a good PM – she’d certainly make mincemeat of the Marxists and their climate change, gender confusing ideologies. I like especially her focus on schools and her commitment to ridding them of the Marxists. She seems to value family life and the protection of child innocence.
That sounds good enough but I’ll only believe it when I see it. I don’t trust politicians one bit.
I don’t think she’ll be elected, she’s too Conservative for a Conservative Party that is anything but Conservative. The Tory Party, like almost every other institution on earth, is saturated in Cultural Marxism. It’s massively infiltrated.
I watched the Channel 4 TV debate with the leadership candidates. You couldn’t put a cigarette paper between them – they’re all the same. This is Neil Oliver saying what I think.
That’s interesting and so is this – I couldn’t believe it. China is backing Rishi !
It doesn’t surprise me in the least. I’ve been saying for a long time that Boris Johnson was a cultural Marxist infiltrator into the Conservative Party and it now looks like Sunak is exactly the same. A number of Tories have said he’s a Communist and the most Left wing Chancellor the Conservatives have ever had. He’s right up there serving the Luciferian architects New World Order. In fact, one Tory commentator said on TV tonight that he wants digital monitoring of speech with new laws attached to make it possible to destroy the economic lives of anyone who says the wrong thing, meaning anything against the ruling elite narrative. He’s a real danger to this country.
That is a brilliant statement from Neil Oliver, who articulates exactly how many of us feel. It’s a pity he’s ignorant of the supernatural aspect of this, particularly the prophecy of Our Lady of Fatima about Communism taking over the entire world. We’re seeing the tragedy unfold before our very eyes. Even the Pope is peddling Communist error.
This woman should win the race for PM – she is amazing.
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