Third Secret of Fatima: The Abandonment Of The Faith Within Church… Even At The Very Topeditor
One online commentator remarked, perhaps a tad sarcastically on seeing the above video, that “With all respect, it is NO secret at all our Catholic Church is in ruins…”
The narrator in the above (excellent) short film may give the impression of confusing the request of Our Lady for the Consecration of Russia with her instruction to release what we now call “The Third Secret”, yet both are essential in the task of ending the diabolical disorientation of the past 60 years in the world and the Church. Personally, I think the current crisis in the Church – The Great Apostasy – will not end until both the Consecration of Russia has been carried out exactly as requested by Our Lady, and the full Third Secret revealed. It is certainly important to note that when we witness Pope Francis’ faithlessness – to the point where he has participated in pagan ceremonies – we are actually witnessing the unfolding/fulfilment of the Third Secret… But, does this console us or concern us?
I totally agree with you, Madame Editor. Fr. Gruner said that the Third Secret had to be released and then the Holy Father would receive the graces that he needed to order and make in union with all the bishops of the world the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Since Father Gruner would have had extra insights into it all, I would believe his claim about the release of the Third Secret leading to the Consecration.
Dear Editor and friends
For my part it’s a mixture of both.
I am deeply concerned and saddened that so many souls will be led into Hell by so many false shepherds in the Church at all levels.
I am humbled and thankful that God has graced and permitted so many of us to understand the times we are living through given all the challenges and difficulties that entails for us in bearing witness to Christ, the Church and the Faith.
I remain hopeful and joyful that ultimately the Church and the Faith will endure, prevail and triumph by virtue of its indefectible origin and nature.
In the interim we continue to hold fast and bear witness to the Faith, Tradition, the Mass and the Sacraments etc.
I trust in the designs of Providence that this trial we are experiencing is one of purgation and purification from which the Church and the world will begin anew.
The Church ie. The Mystical Body of Christ must suffer as Our Lord suffered while on earth. This is the Church’s Passion and we must continue on that road to Calvary, Suffering even death in the eyes and minds of the world only to return risen and triumphant.
We have Our Blessed Mother, St Joseph the Angels and the Saints. The entire arsenal of Heaven is with us. We have nothing to fear.
As Our Blessed Saviour reminded us “Do not fear the world for l have conquered the world”
Ave Maria !
I agree that both the Consecration and the Third Secret, in full, are necessary before the apostasy will end. Margaret USA makes sense when she says the Pope needs to release the Third Secret first, because then we will all see the need for the Consecration. I didn’t know Fr Gruner had said that the Pope will get the graces for the Consecration after he releases the Third Secret. That makes sense because he and the rest of us will be given the grace to understand the need to consecrate Russia.
I meant to include that it will ultimately take, a divine act of some degree or manner to initiate the proper Consecration of Russia by raising a man to the chair of St Peter strong in faith and holiness and determined to exercise his Petrine Authority and undertake the Consecration verbatim as Heaven requested.
When this occurs then the rest as they say is history.
This was interesting: Sr. Lucia’s nephew, Fr. José Valinho, on the Third Secret of Fatima https://gloria.tv/post/igRYfDdoZtQU27ZgfkVQ2zUV7 Caveat: Despite this interesting article, Gloria TV’s content has taken a sharp turn for the worse – in many aspects. If you know those who still post, who are sound and worth reading, fair enough. Otherwise I wouldn’t advise trawling around it. As for some of the comments on the respective posts . . .
Sr Lucia’s nephew repeats the common opinion that the ellipsis following the words in Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved… means that everywhere else the Faith will be lost, but I’ve always considered a different possible meaning. Since Portugal, to the best of my knowledge, is just as modernist as everywhere else – new Mass etc. – I wonder if the part of the Third Secret omitted is something to the effect that In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved if the Traditional Mass and Faith are preserved [and this applies, too, to the rest of the world]
Remember, Our Lady was speaking to children IN Portugal at the time, hence the reason for singling out Portugal for special mention. A more general statement about the coming apostasy would certainly explain the reluctance of the Vatican to reveal the rest of the text of the Third Secret.
As for the ellipsis placed by you regarding the comments under that GloriaTV article – well (not) said… 😀
I agree. Having been there many times, I can say that Portugal is as bad as anywhere else these days – in the Church and in general. Even the Shrine at Fatima has been desecrated in so many ways. I’ve long thought that there was an ‘if’ after the words ‘In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved’. If only Sister Lucia had added that ‘if’, because it would have then made the statement conditional, and not an absolute guarantee, as some people still seem to think it is – even though the Faith is imploding in Portugal at an alarming rate – thus making Sister Lucia’s statement look like an error. There has been one inexplicable thing though – Islamism is more widespread in neighbouring Spain, than it is in Portugal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Spain#/media/File:Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg and the Portuguese government are very pro-immigration.
I thought I would check out the Fatima Center on this but they take it for granted that Portugal has kept the faith! https://fatima.org/the-real-third-secret/
I find that very strange.
Portugal is part of the European Union. How on earth could it have kept the Faith being part of the continuation of the USSR? I’m sure there are many good country folk in Portugal (and I used to see them by the thousands, on their way to Fatima) who would have kept the Faith – remember the Japanese Catholics who kept the Faith for many years without even access to a priest – but the Catholic Hierarchy and government in Portugal certainly haven’t kept the Faith. Abortion – with restrictions – is legal. LGBT rights are quoted as being ‘among the best in the world’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Portugal It’s not surprising you find the Fatima Center’s article strange. I wonder how long ago it was written?
Dear Madame Editor,
The late Fr. Malachi Martin (who was one of the few people to ever read the Third Secret) said that a portion of it concerns “Kiev and Russia”. If this is true, then Pope Francis should immediately inform His Beatitude Sviatoslav Shevchuk, our beloved Father and Head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Then he should reveal it to the whole world.
Fr. Malachi Martin also wrote a book called The Keys of This Blood. In it there’s a chapter called The Judas Complex. I urge you and the CT family to get a copy of it. That chapter alone is worth the price of the book. It was printed in the early 90s so it’s 30+ years old but it’s still very good.
My opinion is that since he was sworn to secrecy re the Third Secret, that he put it in The Keys of This Blood in a veiled way and in that particular chapter so that he couldn’t be accused of breaking his oath.
Hi Margaret USA
Please would you expand on the reason for your opinion that the 3rd Secret is written in a veiled way in The Keys of This Blood. I have that book, and read it many years ago, but I’ll be re-reading that chapter again now! Just wondered what made you think this.
I’ve just re-read that chapter ‘The Judas Complex’. Wow. Could have been written yesterday, and it clearly applies to what is happening in the Church right now.
Can I ask you what you asked Margaret USA @ August 6, 7.34am – “just wondered what made you think this” (that it’s really revealing the Third Secret).
It had been a long time since I read the book and so had completely forgotten the contents of that chapter. However, Margaret USA’s comment got me interested, so I re-read it and then made a second comment at 9.11am. I can see now why Margaret USA thinks this. It’s clearly about the abuse of authority and subsequent apostasy in the Church.
Thanks for that – abuse of authority (especially papal authority) and apostasy are definitely the cause of the crisis in the Church today.
Well, here is yet more evidence that Portugal has not “kept the faith”.
I would love to know what that “IF” or “AS LONG AS” is! There had to have been one and it had to have been one that had to be suppressed.
From the chapter entitled The Judas Complex:
“Obviously, such a liquidation of the Petrine Office could only be effected with the consent of its occupant; and the easiest way in which that could happen would be the election to the throne of Peter of a papal candidate who, prior to his election, is known as favoring such a liquidation.” (p. 673)
I forgot: The following chapter (called The Triple Weakness) also could be included. This is why:
“The day that a sizeable body of Roman Catholics, clergy and laity, become convinced —- rightly or wrongly —- that the then occupant of the apostolic throne of Peter is not, perhaps never was, a validly elected Pope, that day the presently continuous piece-by-piece deterioration of the organizational structure will be quickened into a muffled collapse of the entire organization.” (p. 677)
“The same catastrophe of disintegration would desolate the Roman Catholic institutional organization — this is the second dreadful possibility — if a sizeable body of Roman Catholic clergy and laity became convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the then occupant of the Throne of Peter was elected quite validly but over time had become heretical, and was actually collaborating, actively or passively, in the piece-by-piece dismemberment of the sacred Petrine Office and it’s ministerial organization.” (p. 679)
There is one other possible development… Briefly, this is the Conclave election of a papal candidate whose policy would be to dissolve the unity and change the structure of the Roman Catholic Church by simply abandoning the exercise of the Petrine Office… (p. 681)
“Roman Catholics will then have the spectacle of a Pope validly elected who cuts the entire visible body of the Church loose from the traditional unity and the papacy-oriented apostolic structure that the Church has hitherto always believed and taught was divinely established.
The shudder that will shake the Roman Catholic body in that day will be the shudder of it’s death agony. For its pains will be from within itself, orchestrated by its leaders and its members. No outside enemy will have brought this about… Men will be able to ask for the first time in the history of the Church: Where is the visible body of the Church Christ founded? But there will be none visible.” (p. 684)
“For however or wherever the Church founded by Christ survives and lives in, it is sure that it will live on; the whole brute strength of Hell will not prevail against it. And the successor of Peter, whoever he is during those dire days, will finally be converted and will, as Jesus foretold after his (sic) resurrection, restore and bring back to spiritual strength the faith of his bishops and people in the Church of Christ.” (p. 685)
Sorry for the long post.
N.B. For everyone’s edification, I am NOT a sedevacantist and please God never will be. 🙏
That is amazing about Islam being such a miniscule number in the population of Portugal, just amazing.
I agree that it’s a pity Sr Lucia didn’t finish that sentence about the dogma of the faith always being preserved in Portugal – as it stands, it could easily be thought an error.
“With all respect, it is no secret at all that our Catholic Church is in ruins…”
It might not be a secret with the benefit of hindsight but it was certainly a secret when Our Lady prophesied it.
Saturday`s lottery numbers are a secret at the moment but they will be no secret on Saturday night,
Well said – I agree. It’s no secret that the Fatima prophecies have come true, in other words!
Russell Crowe acting as Fr Gabriele Amorth in Dublin as they are making a movie called ‘the pope exorcist’. He doesn’t fit the image of fr Amorth.
Just wondering, is Russell Crowe Catholic?
Editor – this is completely off topic. You can find out this sort of thing, usually on Wikipedia or here Please stick to the topic now. The topic is the Third Secret of Fatima. Thank you.
I totally believe that the full text of the Third Secret has not been released, just the vision part which has been twisted by some to mean that the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II is what is described in the vision (“A bishop dressed in white, bows and arrows” etc.)
It’s obviously the apostasy in the Church which was being foretold, not an assassination attempt or a nuclear war.
I completely agree.
I’m convinced the true text will refer to the convocation of the Council and it’s devastating consequences including the ushering in of the Great Apostasy (which had been fermenting for decades) beginning at the top of the church.
As you know in the vision of the Bishop dressed in white it ends in his martyrdom and death under a fuselage of arrows and bullets.
Pope St John Paul II did not die. Thus the official narrative is misleading and inaccurate to say the least.
Your correct to say that there has been a deliberate deception in order to prevent the true meaning of Our Lady’s message from becoming public.
For the simple reason that the message is referring to the very individuals in the the Church who are promoting falsehood and error regarding the Faith etc.
Noting your reference (minus smiley face !) to “Pope St John Paul II”, I’m guessing you missed our blog discussion on those two surprising (to say the least) canonisations…
On topic – your final “Why?” and answer is on the button – I’m not saying you are right, but you’re certainly not wrong 😀
I had a quick look through that Canonisations thread – it was very interesting indeed.
I too have looked at the link and the comments very interesting indeed
Michael, Lily, Editor,
I agree, very interesting. The idea that those two popes were canonisable saints after the damage they did to the Church over decades, is laughable. I pray for them when I pray for the rest of the souls in Purgatory.