Through the New Mass, the Faith was Lost…editor
From the Rorate Caeli Blog…
At present, the modern Church is working to change its internal constitution, transforming itself and by its own initiative from a hierarchical Church, as willed and instituted by God, to a “synodal” (and therefore humanly constructed) Church. In the one and only Church of Jesus Christ, which is the Catholic Church, a process of successive detachment from divine revelation and from Christ Himself has been underway for decades: it is thus a process of self-destruction. The Church is currently tearing itself apart from within. Unfortunately, the question is now very legitimate as to how Catholic the Catholic Church on earth still is. Is it really still as Christ intended and wanted it to be?
True, it is clear that the Catholic Church is identical with the Church instituted by Jesus Christ. One can, so to speak, point to the Catholic Church and say, “This is the one and only Church that Jesus Christ instituted.” Quite different, on the other hand, is the question of whether what is generally done, taught, decided, or believed by the earthly hierarchs of this one and only Church of Jesus Christ at any given time corresponds to what Christ willed.
One must not make the fatal mistake of thinking that everything the Church says in its visible organs automatically corresponds to the teachings and will of Jesus Christ. Not everything that the Church says and does is automatically in accordance with the divine will: in it there is very well also the potential to act in word and deed against the revelation of God. This is called error when it happens out of ignorance through no fault of its own, and sin when it happens wilfully and consciously.
As a helpful image, one can think of a double template. One part stands for the supernatural church, the other for the natural one. The shape of the template of the supernatural church is formative. The template of the natural church is form-receiving and must be brought to congruence, that is, to coincidence. If both forms are congruent, everything is in order. If, however, the forms deviate from each other at certain points, something has gone out of order and must be urgently corrected, i.e., removed or added to, as the case may be, until the required congruence is restored.
Since the innermost core of the Church is the liturgy, specifically the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice, which is at the center of its being and action, the analytical question must also be asked about the Holy Mass: What role does the liturgical reform in general, specifically the new Mass, play in its development to the point we see today: the decomposition of the Church from within?
What does the “new Mass” mean?
Right at the beginning of a reflection of this kind, we encounter a first basic problem: while for everyone it is perfectly clear and unambiguous what one is talking about when one speaks of the celebration of the “old Mass,” this is not the case with the “new Mass.” Here, one must first clarify what kind of “new Mass” one is talking about at all. For even if one moves only within all the possibilities provided by the Missal, the spectrum ranges from a Latin High Mass with incense, baroque chasuble, and high altar to a Mass in a sitting circle with gray alb, guitar, “Swiss Eucharistic Prayer” and modernist furnishings of chalice and stole. From a purely external point of view, both Masses have hardly anything in common, and yet they are done according to the same missal of Paul VI, without departing from its options.
If one then adds the Masses as they are actually held in the parishes, namely with piles and piles of “liturgical excesses,” i.e., where one goes (sometimes very far) beyond the possibilities provided by the new missal, the whole thing drifts even further apart.
These “liturgical excesses,” if one wants to call them that, are in many places the order of the day and have long since ceased to be limited to the rebellious third assistant chaplain, who in doing so acts against the express will of the pastor and bishop. On the contrary, such liturgical outrages have long been committed by high-ranking clerics as well: Not only parish priests or chaplains make a negative appearance here, but also episcopal vicars, vicars general, bishops, and cardinals. The Internet is full of reports with pictures, and by far not all such Masses are documented. One can find everything from a Sicilian archbishop riding a bicycle around his cathedral wearing a chasuble and miter, to a German bishop standing at the altar wearing carnival makeup and a baroque chasuble, to a Viennese cardinal handling balloons during a Mass under disco lights. Continues here
The above article is very lengthy at source, and, truth to tell, I’ve not yet finished reading it through. I hope to learn more from our bloggers 😀
I didn’t really need to read it all, though, to agree with the sub-headline within the article which I have used to headline this thread. Is the New Mass to blame for the lost of Faith, the widespread apostasy around us? Yes? No?
That is one very long article! There is a lot of very good argument in it, and it is worth reading, I think.
The key takeaway for me, is the statement that the new Mass isn’t the only reason for the crisis in the Church, but it is “the essential and central reason”. Then, I copied this next statement because I think it is shattering: “As strange as it may sound, the deficiencies in people’s faith, the errors, the apostasy—these have their deep roots in post-conciliar liturgical practice.”
There’s plenty to think about there – and I hope to get more from it and to share with friends. Some of us can’t always get to a TLM, so it’s often concerning what to do, to make sure we don’t displease God by taking part in faulty worship.
The picture of the ruined church at the top of this page is like an image of the state of decay in the whole Church. It’s very sad.
There can be no doubt that the loss of Faith can be traced to the introduction of the new Mass. That’s beyond dispute, IMHO.
The picture of the ruined church as an image of the decay in the wider Church – absolutely agree. Sad, but true.
That is exactly what I thought when saw that photo – it is “the current state of the Church in pictures”. It’s tragic.
It seems self-evident that the crisis in the Church is directly linked to, and rooted in, the introduction of the new Mass. Crystal clear.
There can be no doubt at all that the crisis in the Church is a result of the introduction of the new Mass, it’s a clear case of “unintended consequences” although I’m not 100% convinced it was unintended, tbh.
I know not if the N.O. Mass is the Watering down of the Catholic Faith but what I do certainly know is that we Have Bishops and Priests who call themselves Catholics who are far from the Faith.
We most certainly now have a Usurper in Rome who Dresses up well but there the Significance to the Real Faith Ends .
Of course we have had poor Popes in the recent past but at least they were Catholics and one surely cannot say the same about Bergoglio.
As for the Rasamatas and Liturgical Abuses in the N.O. lots of them would make a Half Decent Protestant service more pleasing to Almighty God these are just getting worse.
What attracts us ( at least me ) to the T.Latin Mass is that it is the same Mass of ages which will be said anywhere in The World.
Go to a N.O. Mass just 2 Miles away and it is different from the Mass in my own Parish , some Priests even water down the Creed . Now just read this.
In the Motherwell Diocese this Advent the Right Reverend Bish Toal has announced that GENERAL ABSOLUTION instead of Personal Confession is to be the order of the Day .
Even I know that General Absolution goes against everything the Catholic Faith teaches. Of course the Old COVID narrative is the Excuse for this Abuse. The Good Bishop has even made it into The Horrible TABLET, My God I wouldn’t even want to be mentioned in that Rag . I thank God that we have a good Priest who has already condemned this Abuse. It seems according to Bish Toal that one can Sit Beside someone on Public Transport, but one cannot go into a Confessional in case they catch the dreaded Covid Lurgy.
God Help those in Serious Mortal Sin who believe this to be True Absolution who go and receive the Eucharist.
That is absolutely disgraceful and confirms my opinion about Bishop Toal – or rather, not merely my opinion (who cares?) but my observation of his negligence to date. Using the (ridiculous) fear of Covid to avoid providing private confessions in confessional boxes, underlines the utter faithlessness AND laziness of priests and bishops like him. It also underlines their dishonesty because even when General Absolution is legitimately used – e.g. in cases where a large number of the faithful are in danger of imminent death – the penitents must go to Confession at the first opportunity if they survive.
Here’s the Vatican answering a question on this…
And 1972 ruling
Plus this answer from a priest at the Catholic Education Resource Center is useful.
I of course know that Bish Toal was in The Horrible TABLET in
2020 spouting the same General Absolution. I know not what His Bosses said then ,but surely there’s no Excuse for a Catholic Priest not to hear Confessions now . Or has Bish Toal inside information on the Claus Schwab Triple Pandemic that is supposed to be heading our way . Something else those useless Politicians can give Bedtime Stories for their Kids to have Nightmares about.
I know of one priest in Glasgow who is still wearing a face mask and I think others still do not use the confessionals. I don’t know what to make of that, although I have a personal opinion which I won’t share in public. Whatever, it’s disgraceful, and such priests are using the covid virus, long gone and never a threat to the under 85s, as an excuse (to make clowns of themselves!)
To use covid as an excuse for General Absolution is evidence of – not “just” lack of faith/apostasy but also – sheer laziness. End of.
I haven’t read the above article yet, but my experience of the vast differences in the behaviour of the congregations at the NO and the TLM are proof positive of the loss of Faith caused by the NO:-
1) NO – poor attendance, mostly elderly; general lack of reverence by the laity; lack of genuflecting/kneeling; Communion in the hand and extraordinary ministers; rampant liturgical abuses which go unquestioned by the laity; allowing children to run riot; talking in church before, sometimes during, and immediately after Mass; little or no preparation for Mass and thanksgiving afterwards – people turning up at the last minute and leaving the church as soon as the priest does, etc, etc.
2) TLM – good attendance, mostly younger; far more visible reverence by the laity; genuflecting and kneeling the norm; Communion kneeling and on the tongue and no extraordinary ministers; no liturgical abuses; no talking before, during or after Mass; disruptive children dealt with appropriately; people coming early and silently praying/preparing for Mass (or praying the rosary); people staying behind after Mass to make an act of thanksgiving.
Lex orandi, lex credendi Q.E.D.
Well, it depends where you go to the TLM. One of the Glasgow parishes has too many Masses, one after the other and so there’s no time for thanksgiving after the TLM. Most of the other boxes are ticked, though, I agree.
ED as you say you know of a Priest still wearing the Masks even Dr John Campbell a True Vaccine Go Getter not long ago is now Absolutely and Totally against them. Am sure that we all know of at least One Person who has been seriously Defected in Health or not Dead who has been Injected with these Poisons. Dr Campbell now admits that He was 100% wrong in Promoting these Injections. I have already said that I live in a Block of 5 Houses. The Son in Law of 1 Neighbor aged 51 has now a serious Heart Defect. I have spoken to Him several times and He says He definitely puts down His health defects to the Injections. 1 other Neighbors Niece died in Her sleep aged 49
Another Neighbors Sister in Law is Wasting Away ( His words) after Her 2nd Booster.
None of these have been flagged up as Vaccine Health Related Symptoms. The Department of Health surely knew or at least now knows that these Injection’s Don’t stop anyone from Catching COVID yet they still persist on Injecting those who still Line Up like Lambs to the Slaughter to be jabbed.
And do you remember calling your Auntie Pat all the names of the day for saying “don’t listen to Dr Campbell?” Remember?
Still, I’m not one to say “I told you so…” Am I?
But I DID! 😀
I think loss of faith occurred in the hierarchy before it occurred among the faithful. The hierarchy surrendered to the Communist/Freemason infiltrators with barely a peep during and after Vatican II, when quackery somehow became respectable. Useful idiots + quackery + authority = apostasy.
(But here’s a mystery: if the hierarchy lost the faith before there was a new Mass, then what was the cause for them?)
If that origin is correct, then the new Mass is indeed the instrument of the faithless, foisted upon the formerly faithful to do its dirty work. As many have already pointed out, no one among the faithful asked for this “reform.” That was a fraudulent justification for destruction.
Put a different way, the rot began at the head, not among the toes.
I like your thinking. It is a very good question – because whoever wanted t change the Mass, must already have lost the faith. What caused that, you ask? I’d say that was the diabolical disorientation right there. That the devil somehow got into the thinking of the clergy/hierarchy before the Council, say those cardinals who had been agitating for a Council, not the majority. Then the rot spread. Maybe not right from the top at the start, but from top cardinals.
I agreed with you regarding the rot/apostasy/ heresy commenced at the top.
It’s the only logical reason otherwise this devastated vineyard would not be made manifest in the life of the Church.
Such is the mystery of iniquity.
You’ve used the term ‘devastated vineyard’ – that was the title of an excellent book by Dietrich von Hildebrand. PDF available here: https://www.scribd.com/document/436162754/Dietrich-Von-Hildebrand-The-Devastated-Vineyard# Also I read another book back in the ’80’s by Anne Roche Muggeridge – The Desolate City: Revolution in the Catholic Church. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0060660384/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0 Both books give a lot of helpful background to the current crisis. Anne Roche Muggeridge died in 2010 and things have got a lot worse since she wrote her book in the ’80’s. For instance, she notes that a particular religious congregation based in the UK, although embracing the novus ordo, appeared to have escaped the worst excesses of the post-conciliar period. I can assure readers from first-hand knowledge – that is no longer the case.
Well, folks, if the article and comments on this thread don’t convince you that the Faith has been lost, and that the Mass played a central role in that loss, maybe this report will make you think again…. Check in to see what the Pope thinks we have learned from covid. Make it up, you could not.
Clue: the only thing that seems to drive this pontiff, apart from his devotion to “saving the planet”, is his hatred of the Traditional Latin Mass.
Same old themes, same old harangues, same old half-hidden endorsements of globalist goals. Time for a Synod on Truth.
I’d say we’ve certainly learned a lot about Francis, and the rest of our clergy, from the scam-demic! Things we really didn’t want to know.
I have to wonder: if all he can utter is the same old harangues and platitudes, then why is he so afraid of the old Mass? Just an idle sarcastic thought.
But thanks to the scam-demic we’ve learned even more about our so-called medical profession, i.e. that it is largely as corrupt as the political profession, and, like politics, controlled by rich men behind the curtain.
ED reading that Link on Bergoglio one may have thought that the Great Man Himself would at least have mentioned Almighty God ,or seen it was the Day of Peace, what message Our Lord Jesus Christ brings at Christmas .But NO its the same all same all Global Warming garbage .Still do we really expect anything else from a Marxist. BTW .I suppose you seen Babylons excuse for an Apology over Bergoglios remarks about the cruelty of Russian Soldiers Etc ,and as Victor says WE certainly learned Lots and Lots about people of whom we probably knew were Liars . But i certainly didnt think that every time they opened their Mouths or put pen to paper ,everything was and still is lies .
Apparently, there is another document enforcing Traditionis Custodes coming out in the New Year. Yep, that’s right. Give free rein to the NO Mass with all its deviations and also attendance of the NO in freefall, and try to stamp out the TLM, which is the only sign of growth in the Church https://gloria.tv/post/esJPwZQrW8Pn1McWV8pEYZfBr
That is very hard to believe. How long, thinkest thou, before he goes for an outright ban?
Peter Kwasniewski is usually a reliable source. I wouldn’t put anything past Francis’ and Roche’s hatred for the TLM. I personally think the whole end game is an outright ban of all diocesan traditional Masses and sacraments, the dissolution of the ‘Ecclesia Dei’ communities and then ‘excommunication’ of the SSPX. So anyone continuing to adhere to Tradition would be declared ‘outside the Church’ by those remaining. But they’re going to be very lonely soon. All that will be left will be the very elderly and the ‘LGBT’ brigade. No-one else would stomach it. Our Lady did say at Quito that when all appears lost and paralysed, that will be the beginning of the complete restoration. So we have to get to that stage where all appears lost.
Just to clarify this infamous word “synodal,” the dictionary defines a synod as “an ecclesiastical governing or advisory council: such as an assembly of bishops in the Roman Catholic Church.”
So according to that definition, the Church, by convening synods, is functioning as she should be. However, the Luciferian trick of re-defining words is in play here, since the bishops seem to be governing themselves out of jobs by participating in synods whose themes are – as the RC article notes – humanistic.
But that doesn’t make any sense either. Why would bishops synodalize themselves out of jobs, when their jobs are so cushy and the perks are so posh? The self-destruction, therefore, must be aimed at dogma, doctrine and liturgy, while holding on to the structure that gives them “power.”
This hollowing-out of the Church for personal gain makes these bishops no better than Deep State bureaucrats and politicians, whose daily bread is power, money and lust (especially perverted lust) – not the daily bread Our Lord sends us from Heaven.
I take no notice of sources, including alleged dictionaries, if they can’t even get the name of the Church right.
So, forgive me if I pass on that definition which clearly shows confusion between the hierarchical structure of governance within the Catholic Church and the essentially “democratic” Anglican ecclesial body.
A few years ago, there was a cardinal, I can’t remember his name, who said that the novus ordo would be gone in 30 years. He wasn’t wrong, but that image at the top of this page makes me think that the entire church will be gone in most places, by then, too.
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