We’ve had Clown, Beach, Balloon and Zoo Masses: Yet, Francis Wants to Kill Off the TLM – Why?editor
The headline says it all, really. I’ll add only this. After hearing about this shocking “Steve Irwin Zoo Mass” from a friend after Mass today, I arrived home to an email from our very own Westminsterfly, alerting me to this latest attack on the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) which contains this telling observation: The intentions of the new and undoubtedly “unconstitutional” legislation of the …Pope, as specified here, are becoming increasingly clear: the traditional liturgy (and doctrine, because that’s what it’s all about) is to be made more and more invisible and pushed beyond the margins. The writer goes on to suggest that this is Spiritual abuse at the highest level; the Pope as a murderer of souls?
Well, is he… a murderer of souls? Francis? Whatever, if a pope has to go about the place banning Masses, should the traditional liturgy be his very first stop? Your thoughts…
Ach du lieber, Fraulein Editor, that linked article is in German, and Google Translator didn’t translate it into English (or even Scottish or Glaswegian) when I tried it. As for Francis, it seems he is in the employ of the Antichrist Preview Department.
A drop down message appeared asking me if I wished the article to be translated and it seemed to know I wanted English! So, voila! Translation appeared and again, voila! I copied the translation to post here, for you, ONLY for you! Nobody else should read it – do your own homework! Get your own translation from German! If I could find “voila” you can find a German translation of the article to English! If you read on, you are stealing RCA Victor’s intellectual property, be warned 😀
“What was sacred to previous generations remains sacred and great to us; It can’t suddenly be completely banned or even harmful.”
Pope Benedict XVI in 2007 on Summorum Pontificum.
More than just rumours – news from the swamp
04 February 2023
Our Roman source has spoken with new information and clarifications about the expected Apostolic Constitution to push the traditional doctrine and its rite out of the life of the Church.
Thereafter, the document focuses on the express prohibition of the administration of sacraments and sacramentals according to the traditional form as regulated in the traditional Rituale Romanum .dem or Pontificale. Baptism, marriage, confirmation – only in the new rite and in Latin only to the extent that they are carried out in Latin within a mass celebration of the NO. To what extent a special permit is required for the latter, as is already the case in some US dioceses, our source could not say.
This prohibition also expressly applies to ordinations as deacons and priests – in future, even in traditional communities, they may only take place after the reform liturgy. The administration of the sacramentals traditionally referred to as “minor orders” – for which there is no new rite – is prohibited.
The “freedom” of the priests of traditional communities to celebrate Holy Mass without special permission according to the traditional Missal is limited to the use within the “canonically built” houses of these communities.
This current information, which apparently goes beyond the status of mere rumors, also mentions Holy Week as the publication date of the document – probably the anniversary of Paul VI’s Constitution Missale Romanum on 3 April.
The intentions of the new and undoubtedly “unconstitutional” legislation of the Bergoglio Pope, as specified here, are becoming increasingly clear: the traditional liturgy (and doctrine, because that’s what it’s all about) is to be made more and more invisible and pushed beyond the margins. Go over there! If possible, the “normal believer” should no longer be in contact with what has been Catholic for two thousand years – and if he does, then with the guilty conscience of doing something “forbidden”. Spiritual abuse at the highest level; the Pope as a murderer of souls?
The second target is the communities of tradition, which are to be affected in their innermost being by prohibiting or severely restricting their pastoral activity and, in particular, by prohibiting ordinations in the traditional rite. Its members, too, are to be forced to understand the two-thousand-year history of the Church of Christ as an outdated, even closed chapter and to take an oath of allegiance to the Church of the Zeitgeist, newly animated by the “spirit of Vatican II” and newly founded by the Pistolero from the Pampas. What concrete effects this will have on the seminars and the junior staff situation of the institutes should soon become apparent.
Two recent observations confirm the trend and justify the worst fears. On the one hand, the current holder of the See of Peter had expressed himself in a recent speech as if he had moral reservations about homosexuality. This earned him a reprimanding “dubium” from his friar James Martin. This answered Francis against his usual handling of Dubia immediately and with a handwritten letter, in which he apologized diligently and proposed a reading of his statements that was acceptable to the gay pope.
The second is perhaps even more typical: With detailed decrees, Francis founded at the beginning of the month a probably more practically oriented “Laudato Si Education Center for Ecological Conversion” and a more theoretically working “Laudato Si Study Center for Ecological Reorientation”. Both institutions are endowed with extensive institutional and financial privileges and are assigned the Castel-Gandolfo summer residence, used by previous popes, as premises for their undoubtedly extremely beneficial activities. In this now to be called Borgo Laudato-Si, extensive reconstruction work has already begun. Ends
Thanks for the bad news. I tried opening the link in another browser, which thankfully gave me the same translation option as you got.
But here’s the real translation: this Pope and his cabal hate the Catholic Faith and the Catholic Church, and are literally hell-bent on changing them to suit their disoriented and corrupt (and well-rewarded) opinions. To me, this is clearly the “malice of revolutionary men” in action, spoken of by Our Lord to one saint, warning of the consequence of offending Him constantly and without remorse. And without penance.
(I wonder if Fr. de Souza is related to Dinesh d’Souza, of “2,000 Mules” fame?)
I tried to check about Dinesh de Souza and although he is from a Catholic family, his Wiki page makes no mention of a priest brother, and he was unfaithful to his wife, divorced and now on wife # 3, I think, so if he has a priest brother, he’s not having much influence on him, LOL!
ED there is noway that Bergoglio can be a Catholic. Bergoglio knows this abuse goes on but ( to me ) He actually encourages it . Remember His Mass in Argentina years ago with Blown up Giant Objects.
At least we haven’t seen a N.O. Mass with Blown up Dolls . Still give it time, give it time . Yet mention anything to other N.O. Catholics and Bergoglio is still the Meek and Humble Man .
I must admit to sometimes being confused by your apparently conflicting positions on certain subjects. You insist that the Pope is not Catholic because of his obvious failings (to put it mildly) in terms of the traditional Faith and Liturgy. Yet, when I point out that certain supposed traditional Catholic lay people are wrong to go against the traditional practice of the Church in matters such as private revelations, you disagree with me when I say that they are not taking the correct Catholic position. This happened most recently when you defended certain leading lights (John Henry Weston and Taylor Marshall) despite their promotion of the Church-condemned (i.e. non) apparition at Garabandal. You defended them against MY criticism that it is not “Catholic” to refuse to accept the decision of the Church on these matters. Your reply was “who am I to judge?” My reply to that reply: “The same YOU who judges Francis as not being Catholic.” Ha ha! Gotcha!
Because, FOOF, by that “who am I to judge” standard, we cannot judge Francis not to be Catholic either. It’s one of those “what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander” sort of thing… Init? We either ALL adhere to the traditional Faith in its every aspect, or some of us don’t and that some of us, cannot claim to be authentic Catholics. That is true from the Pope down. That is to say, not just the Pope…
Am I making sense? Don’t answer that… 😀
ED your right as one can just act like a Catholic , but Bergoglio now doesn’t even act like one . We pray or have prayed for the Conversation of The Pope but the Man is now a Destroyer of Catholicism and as such surely He is a Marxist and probably a Free Mason IE His meetings with Gates and Co.
If as we very well suspect Bergoglio is going to Bann Catholicism as in all that is Latin Liturgy. He cannot now be a Catholic.
Of course I stand to be corrected and would love to be wrong about the Man . But am afraid that His Tea and Biscuits with the Horrible Jimmy is just another terrible wrong.
I’m definitely NOT praying for a conversation with the Pope… No thank you.
And there will be people reading your comment who haven’t a clue about the identity of the “horrible Jimmy” of “tea and biscuits” fame. I’m guessing you mean James Martin SJ, although I’d no idea he met the Pope for tea and biscuits. I just can’t keep up!
Aye yei got me their ED al need to watch when posting on a Phone. Of course I didn’t mean Conversation I meant a Chit Chat . Maybe you could talk to Him about Catholicism .🤔
All Francis is doing is completing the trajectory of desacralisation started at Vatican II. He’s just doing it quicker than his predecessors, so it’s become more noticeable. Once he has done his best to destroy Sacred Tradition and the Traditional Sacraments (I understand he is even forbidding the Traditional blessing of sacramentals!) and furthered the desacralisation process to its end game, then that should have softened up the hapless ‘Catholics’ in the pews to accept the One World Religion, which is already underway. Keep your eye on this abomination: https://www.adjaye.com/work/the-abrahamic-family-house ‘The Abrahamic House’ – which I suspect will be the hub of the One World Religion.
By the way, that Abrahamic Family House is composed of a mosque for the Muslims, a synagogue for the Jews, and a ‘church’ for the Christians. Note ‘Christians’ – i.e. any denomination, not Catholic. It all ties in with the Abu Dhabi statement fiasco.
Yes, that “church” is of concern – as is everything else associated with that one-world religious Abrahamic House. Goodness me, I pity that pope, down the line, who has to put all this to rights.
Why does Francis want to kill off the TLM and not the zoo Masses? Because the TLM is the true Mass, it is pleasing to God that’s why.
The reason Francis wants to kill off the TLM is because that Mass contains every doctrine of the faith. That’s what he really wants to kill off. The novus ordo is no threat to the modernist agenda, in fact, it is at the heart of it. That’s why the TLM, which just won’t die of its own accord, LOL, has to be euthanised!
I’ve just received the following information/link in my inbox from a reader in Glasgow, who rightly describes the letter published at the tweet, as “heartbreaking”. Her message reads:
Jeff Cassman (@JeffCassman) tweeted at 6:21 pm on Mon, Feb 06, 2023:
1/ For those who love the TLM, we now have insight into how it will be further suppressed in diocesan situations. Summary: Rome will not allow Bishops to dispense their priests from the provisions of Traditiones Custodes, and secondly, they will not allow Priests to…
Could you supply the origin of the “rumour” regarding the blessing of Sacramentals?
I know it’s difficult to get holy water now.
I think it’s somewhere in the article at the top of the page, in the introduction. I copied it for you.
Thank you very much.
Sorry, I meant Vielen dank.
I like the old-school Traditional Catholics. I live in Glasgow. Most of the Traditional Catholics I have met at Immaculate Heart, Sacred Heart, and St Andrews have been good to me. They were welcoming, and I particularly got on well with Fr Stephen Dunn, a diocesan priest, and Fr McLoughlin, and FSSPX priest. I am grateful for all the good people I have met at these churches, including commenters on this blog.
During the past few years, another movement has emerged which is attached to the TLM. These are the neo-Traditionalists. My experience with the neo-Trads has unfortunately not been as positive. The neo-Trads are not good people. I believe that they have caused a lot of harm to the Church and to the reputation of the broader traditional Catholic movement. I believe that these are the people who have primarily caused Pope Francis to restrict the TLM.
I am afraid I disagree with your interpretation of Francis’ rationale in restricting (and attempting to abolish) the TLM, although I can see why you would think that. However, in his own words, Francis is restricting the ancient Mass because he thinks it adversely affects “unity” – causes divisions. In short, if everyone doesn’t attend the novus ordo, that is divisive, in his mind. Poor thing…
Can you define ‘neo-Trad?’. It is not an expression I have heard of before.
It’s not something they call themselves. It is a word used by others to describe them. Many of the neo-trads were neo-conservative Catholics during the pontificates of JPII and Benedict. In fact, most of them were harshly critical of the FSSPX and older traditionalists. I find their criticism of Pope Francis to be logically inconsistent and hypocritical. For these people, their attachment to the traditional liturgical rites is an affectation and a form of snobbery. It’s a kind of secret social club for middle class and upper middle class men who like to dress up. This kind of elitism and cliquishness is contrary to the spirit of the Gospel.
I remember a group of these neo-trads who lived in Glasgow would travel to Edinburgh for the TLM and they would not associate with the Glaswegian trad Catholics. I also found the solemn pontifical high Masses hosted by Una Voce to be distasteful; not my kind of thing at all. I like the TLM, but I would only attend low Mass. I have seen pontifical high Masses which were too theatrical. These are more about the ego of the celebrant rather than genuine piety. I think these liturgies do immense harm to the reputation of the Traditional Catholic movement. The TLM should be for everyone, including the poor, and ordinary working families. It should not be a form of historical reenactment for a niche minority, otherwise, the TLM is basically just a liturgical museum for liturgical tourists.
I have attended weekday low Masses on winter evenings in a dimly-lit chapel. These were attended by very few people. Nowhere else have I been able to find the beauty and sense of the sacred which I encountered in these Masses. For me this, this kind of liturgy is more authentically traditional.
I see what you’re saying, but I can’t say I’ve encountered that in London – and I’ve attended both Low Masses and Pontifical High Masses. I know what you mean by the dimly-lit Low Masses with few people in attendance. I’ve also experienced these (although in my case early in the morning, not in the evening) and I find them particularly prayerful, but I have no issue with Sung High Masses (unless the choir is bad, in which case it does the opposite of raising the mind and heart to God – it becomes a distraction).
Perhaps it’s just a demographical peculiarity to where you live, because round here, the diocesan TLM’s always attract a wide cross-section of all types, races, etc. As for ‘class’ or ‘cliquishness’, I’ve never seen any divisions round here – but then again I’m not looking for them. In fact, I know of some people who are extremely wealthy, or at one time would have been considered ‘gentry’ and yet you wouldn’t think so to look at them, and I’ve never encountered any stand-offishness.
I’ve been attending the same parish (not my actual parish) for many years, and all the TLM brigade, whatever their type or circumstances, nearly all know each other by sight, if not by name, and greet each other if we see each other outside Mass. Having said that, I only attend Mass and then leave after making my thanksgiving. I don’t get involved in social aspects of church attendance.
Anyway, it looks like Francis / Roche aren’t the only ones trying to attack traditional Catholics:- https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/fbi-warns-radical-traditionalist-catholic-ideology-leaked-memo